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Today we will discuss an aircraft scheduled to enter into service next year, the 777X. After a 2013 launch with record breaking orders (in terms of list price) sales have been muted. The program got a major boost with British Airways' order in late February this year (https://epsilonaviation.wordpress.com/2019/03/02/why-did-british-airways-order-the-777x/). The order compensates for the partial cancellation from Etihad Airways (https://epsilonaviation.wordpress.com/2019/02/17/does-etihad-airways-order-restructuring-make-sense/). Below are the current 777X firm orders (they take into account British Airways and Etihad Airways so they differ from Boeing's website):
Boeing 777x Plane
Airline | Total |
Emirates | 150 |
Qatar Airways | 60 |
Cathay Pacific | 21 |
Singapore Airlines | 20 |
All Nippon Airways | 20 |
Lufthansa Group | 20 |
IAG | 18 |
Etihad Airways | 6 |
Total | 315 |
We excluded an unidentified order for 10 aircraft. We also did not distinguish between the 777-9 and 777-8 since only Emirates and Qatar Airways ordered the type and could swap between variants.
One can see there are 2 main types of customers: the big 3 Gulf carriers and flagship carriers that operate out of congested airports. All those carriers also have large cargo operations, one of the 777X's main strength. All of them currently already operate the 777-300ER (Lufthansa via its Swiss subsidiary).
The 777X has reputable customers but there are only 8 of them. Even if they place follow up orders (very likely for some), this is not a satisfactory state of affairs for Boeing. The American manufacturer is working hard to convince other airlines to order the type. Which ones will it target?
Below is a list of potential customers that did not order the 777X yet:
Airline | 777-300ER | B747 or A380 | Has A350 | Has 787 |
Air France – KLM | 57 | 19 | x | x |
Saudia | 35 | 7 | x | |
EVA Air | 34 | 0 | x | |
Turkish Airlines | 33 | 0 | x | x |
Air China | 28 | 10 | x | x |
Korean Air | 24 | 22 | x | |
Aeroflot | 24 | 0 | x | |
China Eastern Airlines | 20 | 0 | x | x |
American Airlines | 20 | 0 | x | |
Air Canada | 19 | 0 | x | |
United Airlines | 18 | 0 | x | |
Air India | 15 | 4 | x | |
Thai Airways | 14 | 14 | x | x |
Japan Airlines | 13 | 0 | x | x |
China Southern Airlines | 10 | 5 | x | x |
China Airlines | 10 | 4 | x | |
Kuwait Airways | 10 | 1 | x | |
Garuda Indonesia | 10 | 0 | ||
Latam | 10 | 0 | x | x |
Philippine Airlines | 10 | 0 | x | |
Jet Airways | 10 | 0 | ||
Air New Zealand | 7 | 0 | x | |
TAAG | 5 | 0 | ||
Virgin Australia | 5 | 0 | ||
Ethiopian Airlines | 4 | 0 | x | x |
Biman Bangladesh | 4 | 0 | x | |
Pakistan International | 4 | |||
Qantas | 0 | 20 | x | |
Asiana Airlines | 0 | 8 | x | |
Malaysia Airlines | 0 | 6 | x | |
Delta Air Lines | 0 | 0 | x | |
Hong Kong Airlines | 0 | 0 | x | |
Hainan Airlines | 0 | 0 | x | x |
Vietnam Airlines | 0 | 0 | x | x |
Virgin Atlantic | 0 | 8 | x | x |
El Al | 0 | 4 | x |
We list airlines that either operate the 777-300ER, 747 or A380, with the number of aircraft in operation. We also list a few other carriers we believe are relevant for the discussion. We also specify whether they operate or ordered the A350 or 787. We will divide the discussion into several categories:
- Ongoing sales campaigns with Air New Zealand, Qantas, Korean Air and Thai Airways.
- Airlines likely interested to order in a few years
- Campaigns that were either lost or airlines unlikely to place an order.
- Other cases
Ongoing sales campaigns
There are 4 major ongoing sales campaigns for the 777X. Even though Air New Zealand stated that they are considering the 777X for the 777-200ER replacement, it is unlikely to be the case (https://epsilonaviation.wordpress.com/2019/03/10/how-will-air-new-zealand-replace-its-777-200er-fleet/).
The Qantas campaign for Project Sunrise was already discussed in another blog post (https://epsilonaviation.wordpress.com/2019/03/09/is-the-a350-1000-ulr-or-777-8-x-favorite-for-qantas-project-sunrise/). If Boeing does not win this campaign the manufacturer might decide to cancel the 777-8 development. Unless they bring the 777X cargo soon it is a bit hard to justify developing a variant for 2 customers (Emirates and Qatar Airways).
The Korean Air campaign is very important for Boeing even if not much discussed in the media. The 777X has several strong selling points for the Korean flag carrier:
There are 4 major ongoing sales campaigns for the 777X. Even though Air New Zealand stated that they are considering the 777X for the 777-200ER replacement, it is unlikely to be the case (https://epsilonaviation.wordpress.com/2019/03/10/how-will-air-new-zealand-replace-its-777-200er-fleet/).
The Qantas campaign for Project Sunrise was already discussed in another blog post (https://epsilonaviation.wordpress.com/2019/03/09/is-the-a350-1000-ulr-or-777-8-x-favorite-for-qantas-project-sunrise/). If Boeing does not win this campaign the manufacturer might decide to cancel the 777-8 development. Unless they bring the 777X cargo soon it is a bit hard to justify developing a variant for 2 customers (Emirates and Qatar Airways).
The Korean Air campaign is very important for Boeing even if not much discussed in the media. The 777X has several strong selling points for the Korean flag carrier:
- Common pilot rating with the 787 that it already operates. The carrier does not operate the A350.
- Outstanding cargo capacity. Korean Air has among the largest cargo operations in terms of portion of total revenue (https://epsilonaviation.wordpress.com/2018/11/05/how-large-are-cargo-revenues-at-the-worlds-largest-airlines/).
- Need to replace aging 747s and simplify the passenger fleet (https://epsilonaviation.wordpress.com/2018/10/23/how-should-korean-air-lines-restructure-its-fleet/).
Thai Airways also needs to simplify its fleet and already operates the 787 (https://epsilonaviation.wordpress.com/2018/05/03/whats-next-for-thai-airways/). However the carrier also operates the A350 so the A350-1000 is a credible alternative. Even though Thai Airways has a tradition for operating large aircraft, a 777X order is less likely than with Korean Air.
All 3 carriers operate the A380. Some has been vocal about the fact they are struggling to turn a profit operating them. In order to win more A350 orders Airbus could offer to buy A380s back (like it did with Lufthansa a few weeks ago). This might make the difference to winning some campaigns. It is less likely but Boeing could also consider doing likewise.
Future Important sales campaigns
The 3 largest 777-300ER operators that did not order the 777X yet are Air France – KLM, Saudia and Eva Air. Those airlines do not need to immediately replace their relatively young 777-300ER fleets but the need will arise in a few years. The current state of affairs with each carrier is:
- Saudia is replacing its aging 777-200ER with the 787-10. Its CEO said recently that it would consider a 787 order soon.
- Eva Air is replacing its A330s with the 787-10.
- Air France – KLM is replacing its 777-200ERs, A340s and 747s with the 787-9, 787-10 and A350-900.
Since Air France was the 777-300ER launch customer the 777X campaign will be of particular importance to Boeing. If the French flag carrier orders the A350-1000 instead it will be a big blow for the American manufacturer.
Lost campaigns and unlikely orders
To this day one campaign was considered a big blow to Boeing: Japan Airlines' order for the A350. The Japan head at the manufacturer resigned in the aftermath of this loss because Japan Airlines had been an exclusive Boeing customer until then. One could put Virgin Atlantic in the same category, even though the airline effectively converted an A380 order.
A couple of smaller airlines that opted for the A350 while passing on the 787 are also unlikely to order the 777X: Aeroflot, China Airlines, Delta Air Lines, Philippine Airlines, Asiana Airlines, Malaysia Airlines. Those airlines favor smaller aircraft and can order A350-1000 if it makes sense. Fleet commonality is critical for smaller airlines.
There are also numerous notable 787 operators that are unlikely to order the 777X. Those airlines have favored smaller aircraft of late. The list is: American Airlines, Air Canada, United Airlines, Latam, Biman Bangladesh, Hainan Airlines and El Al.
We should also list in this category airlines where it is hard to make predictions due to financial uncertainty or business model: Air India, Jet Airways, Garuda Indonesia, Kuwait Airways, TAAG Angola, Virgin Australia and Pakistan International.
Other Cases
We will now discuss the major Chinese airline groups (Air China, China Eastern, China Southern and HNA Group) and Turkish Airlines. Those airlines ordered both the A350 and 787. They don't need to order the 777X per se since they prioritize flying to more destinations. However an order might be placed for political reasons. The most likely candidate is Air China since the carrier operates the 747. It is worth noting that none of those airlines ordered the A350-1000 yet.
This leaves us with 2 special cases: Vietnam Airlines and Ethiopian Airlines. Those airlines operate both the 787 and A350. The Vietnamese flag carrier could consider placing an order for the 777X to start flights to the USA. Even though the 777X does not make much sense for such flights (https://epsilonaviation.wordpress.com/2019/02/24/how-should-vietnamese-airlines-start-flights-to-the-usa/) the order might be placed for political reasons. Ethiopian Airlines might consider the 777-8 for its high and hot Addis Abada operations. However the American manufacturer will have to repair the strained relationship with the Ethiopian flag carrier due to the 737MAX crash last month.
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To summarize there aren't many potential customers for the 777X. Even though high profile airlines places orders it remains a niche aircraft. There will likely be follow up orders due to A380 and 777-300ER retirements but competition with the A350-1000 will be fierce. Airbus can play the card of buying back A380s to win orders. If the European manufacturer proceeds with an A350neo competition will be even fiercer. A total tally of 500 passenger variant orders is probably the maximum realistic for the 777X program. It is well short of the 777-300ER's 800 aircraft already delivered. A cargo variant will likely come down the line to replace the 747-8F.
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By tpallini@businessinsider.com (Thomas Pallini) of Business Insider |Philippine Airlines 777 Seats
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The Boeing 777X will not be delivered until late 2023, its manufacturer announced on Wednesday, further delaying the aircraft's debut well-beyond the planned time frame of 2020. Boeing attributed the delay to numerous factors including the pandemic, reduced demand, and new certification requirements.
The twin-engine jet first graced the skies in January 2020 when it lifted off from Paine Field in Everett, Washington following a day of weather delays. A total of four test aircraft now roam the skies, pushing the limits of the aircraft in advance of its certification to fly passengers.
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